China unhappy (once again)
November 27, 2008 – 3:52 pmChina and the EU (European Union) planned a metting about economic cooperation, but now China is unhappy and they can’t attend. China’s government spokesman Qin Gang said, they don’t like the idea, that France’s president Nicholas Sarkozy wants to meet the Dalai Lama. I remeber the time when i was in primary school, at that time friendships were all the same. If You spend time with X, You can’t spend time with me.
Dalai Lama’s requirements are stupid.
The Dailai Lama’s plan is to create new larger autonomous region Tibet, that includes vast parts of Yunnan and Sichuan province. These two provinces however are mainly inhabited by Han Chinese. Why the Dalai Lama asks for such a autonomous region is unknown to me. But it is obvously a sign of a megalomaniac.
China and Tibed led by stupidheads?
China says, if anyone talsk to the Dalai Lama, they won’t talk to this person. Clearly a position aimed at keeping up the dispute. Why the Tibet dispute is still there is unknown. China’s influence towards Tibet began in the 16th century, maybe even earlier. Since then China had much influence over this region interrupted only by short breaks. I only know few regions on this world where people point back to a situation centuries ago. Israel and Tibet are the most prominent of these. In both cases stupidheads try to gain something.
If the Tibeteans were smart….
If the Tibeteans were smart they would stop with this mess and start doing business and bring up the Tibetian economy. At the same time it seems to be more important to the Chinese to make trouble instead of solving the current financial crisis.
Conclusion: I’ll stick to my own business. I don’t have the time to involve myself into this children’s play.
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11 Responses to “China unhappy (once again)”
The main reason why Chinese government is reacting like this is it’s inner political credibility – Chinese have been told that the Dalai Lama was evil for years, that he wants to destroy Chinese unity and so on – so now if a foreign politician meets him, they say he accept him as the leader of Tibet and therefore supports him. This policy has been kept up for years and Chinese people are fed up with sudden changes; they want stability now. So the Chinese government is therefore forced to condemn every non-religious interaction with the Lama.
I don’t think this is going to change soon, the acceptance of the administration shrinked continuosly and the economical crisis is putting further pressure on them – so they must try to maintain a certain level of nationalism in the population, in order to survive themselves.
Europe would do well in not destabilizing China – and therefore ignore the Lama in political business.
By Aremonus on Nov 29, 2008
I doubt it’s a children’s play – there’s too much at stake for the Han Chinese side (I agree with Aremonus there), and for the Tibetan side.
The Dalai Lama’s position isn’t beyond me. There is no chance to get into meaningful talks with Beijing for the time being, and he can just as well maximize his negotiation position. If he kept to his more moderate line which he seemed to follow until recently, it would cost him credit among the exile Tibetans, maybe among Tibetans inside Tibet, too – and it would still not need to any better chance to get to talk.
By justrecently on Nov 30, 2008
When saying where I agree with you, I should als say where we disagree, Aremonus… If non-interaction with the Dalai Lama would stabilize China in a noticeable way, that would mean that China is really out of order, and in that case, the Dalai Lama would be one of the smaller problems (if not an opportunity to mobilize China’s nationalism.
Besides, I think it should be up to every foreign leader if he wants to meet the Dalai Lama (for whatever noble or dowdy reason).
By justrecently on Nov 30, 2008
I feel that China actually is out of order in a lot of points; it just hasn’t come up to the surface yet, but in people’s mind, there should be a vast change in politics – although not many speak out yet, hoping that the Daoism’s theory according to which a continuous soft pressure will break the hardest things, is going to work.
I don’t like the European rather condescending way of treating China and therefore can’t agree with you about the Dalai Lama. European leaders should respect the innerpolitical integrity of China – we’d also be unhappy if a foreign political power helps seperatists dividing our countries – and this is what a politician is doing by meeting the Dalai Lama officially.
This behaviour by foreign powers was, by the way, also one of the reasons for Germany’s aggressive behaviour in the 1930ies – and I don’t want to experience what happens if China ever reacts on what other nations did to it in the past 200 years…
By Aremonus on Dec 1, 2008
If China should go on a ranpage, it will be China’s choice – not the choice of history (and I won’t blame the Third Reich on the Thirty-Year War). Personally, I think expecting China to become a similar aggressor as Germany was last century is quite unfair against China. Such matters should be discussed if it really happen, or become likely to happen.
As for the Dalai Lama, I stick to my opinion: if China’s future depends on how the Dalai Lama is received in Europe, China can’t be saved. The Dalai Lama is no threat to China’s unity. If there is such a threat, it comes from within.
By justrecently on Dec 1, 2008
What I wanted to say is not that China’s future depends on whether foreign countries interact with the Dalai Lama or not, but on the Chinese governmet’s reaction to such an interaction.
But you’re right – Chinese government, as it is now, won’t be aple to exist for too long; probably, a democracy is not yet possible in China (and I doubt that wouldn’t be best for the country) but the mere amount on corruption and mistakes that Chinese people are facing these days, make it harder and harder for the gov to justify it’s power; so probably there will be a change – whether it’s gonna be a chaotic revolution or a glorious change is unpredictable.
By Aremonus on Dec 2, 2008
“Whether the pressures can be turned into a driving force and the challenges turned to opportunities … is a test of our ability to control a complex situation, and also a test of our party’s governing ability.”
Chairman Hu, according to the state media publications.
By justrecently on Dec 2, 2008
China has a massive local market, they can still grow even if exports go down. Therefore they can put quite some pressure on foreign countries to act according to China’s ideas. Like in the Dalai Lama case. It’s very hard to threaten China economically. Even the current financial crisis has limited impact on China as we can see. If everything goes really bad, they still have their 1 trillion US-Dollar reserve.
Yes, internally China is sick. The police is going rampage against it’s own people. People are arrested for stupid reasons, if there is a protest police just starts to beat them, even if it was peaceful. But let’s face it. If something really awful happens in Yunnan province, the Fujian people won’t care at all. The physical distances are to big, and with physical distance comes emotional distance.
Last spring the situation was really bad in Tibet, You probably saw the pictures. In Kunming, Yunnan no one really cared, except the Tibetians living there, but they are a small minority there. And Yunnan is just next to Tibet.
China doesn’t need to fear anything at the moment, therefore I can’t understand this harsh reaction. Child’s play.
But I have another explanation for their acting. Yes, they have mobile phones and space rockets. But 50 years ago they were in the dark middle ages, only 20 years ago foreigners started to visit China in noticeable amounts. In their heads they are still medieval people, the social norms haven’t changed yet and are still mostly based on feudalism and law of the stronger. Some cities like Shanghai may be exceptions.
Time will change things in China, but we have to wait.
By Hendrik on Dec 3, 2008
Chinese economy depends as much on foreign countries as only a few others do; 60% of China’s GDP is made in foreign countries. China could therefore be threatened economically – but no one wants to do so. Tibetan’s problems do not bother Western nations enough take serious meassures against China, as such meassures would harm their economy as well…
By Aremonus on Dec 3, 2008
Here we agree again, Aremonus.
By justrecently on Dec 3, 2008